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<p>The sights along the way...</p>
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<p>I pass&#160;a lot of rice paddies on the 13 kilometer trip to work.&#160; There are a few fish farms as I get closer to work as well.&#160; I run across a lot of interesting things but usually don&#39;t have a camera handy.&#160; I will try to document a few of them in&#160;the future.&#160; The office pictured is also&#160;the&#160;a house.&#160; I often sit,&#160;type and sweat&#160;at the table pictured to the right of the house.&#160; The office is on the first&#160;floor.</p>
<p>The more interesting&#160;occurences on the way home from work usually entail a weekly game played with the police.&#160; They stop all motorcyclists for their weekly coffers at some point, usually&#160;a Tuesday or Wednesday.&#160; I get corralled&#160;onto the shoulder&#160;with the rest of the cyclists, as there is no way to avoid them, they have all the arteries covered.&#160;&#160;But I have an advantage over the others.&#160;&#160;When I flip up my visor to reveal my&#160;smiling white face, the officer gets nervous, as he doesn&#39;t speak English.&#160;&#160;He does know how to say &quot;Go!&quot;, however, and he says&#160;it to me about once a week, and waves me by...&#160;&#160;&#160; </p>
<p>And here&#39;s a random photo for good measure.&#160;&#160; Tried to find one of some flowers that&#160;I see, but failing that, this will do.&#160; </p>
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        <title>Don&#39;t forget</title>   
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        <title>Ayutthaya</title>   
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<p>The ancient capital city of Ayuthaya is really something to see.&#160; A UNESCO World Heritage site, at its peak it had more than 1 million residents, larger thatn Paris and London combined.</p>
<p>Founded in&#160;c. 1350, Ayutthaya became the second Siamese capital after Sukhothai. It was destroyed by the Burmese in the 1767.&#160;&#160;Its remains, characterized by the prang (reliquary towers) and gigantic monasteries, give an idea of its past splendour.&#160;&#160;</p>
<p>It&#160;is one of those places that, when wandering around it, provides glimpses into the past.&#160;&#160;There are moments when you&#160;can&#160;see and feel what it was like 600 years ago.&#160;&#160;The majority of the ancient city was founded on &quot;The&#160;island&quot; that exists between the 3&#160;rivers that merge around it then reform&#160;again into the larger Chao Phraya&#160;river.&#160; &#160;</p>
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<p>&#160;The site was chosen for the second capital of the Siamese Kingdom because of the region&#39;s&#160;remarkably fertile soil and its strategic defensive position.&#160; Unfortunately, a stronger Burmese army lead by hundreds of elephants raided the town in 1767 and the Burmese ruthlessly burned and looted the city.&#160;&#160;Once covered in gold, the city was laid to ruins.&#160;</p>
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<p>As in all areas of Thailand, there are bursts of vibrant color to be found throughout the park</p>
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<p>Note the beheaded Buddha statures in the picture.&#160; Many of the heads have been stolen over the years.&#160; Theft of antiquities has plagued Thailand and all of SE Asia for decades.&#160; I am having trouble getting my other pictures to upload, so I will end this post here.&#160;</p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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<p>Will try to post more regularly about Thailand, buddy.&#160; </p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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<p>Read about it at: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7366357.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7366357.stm</a></p>
<p>Please ask your representatives to exert pressure on the Burmese junta to release her and demand elections.&#160;&#160;Ask them to&#160;put pressure on the junta&#39;s crutch supporters -&#160;China, India and Thailand.&#160; Shame on those governments for supporting such brutality, and on the US extractive industries that continue to do work in Burma.&#160; Half hearted, swiss cheese sanctions don&#39;t work with dictatorships with additional funding.&#160; </p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Media reform event in Minneapolis!</title>   
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<p class="body">Man, I wish I could attend the following event.&#160; Please somebody go and report to me about it.&#160; And please tell Amy Goodman she is the coolest person alive, on my behalf.&#160;&#160;
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<p class="body">Dear Friends, 
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<p class="body" style="text-align: center">Join me at the 2008 National Conference for Media Reform 
<p class="body" style="text-align: center"><a href="http://free.convio.net/site/R?i=szylPVqShHn7mgEuQc8R6g.." rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_0"><span style="color: #003399">Sign Up Today!</span></span></strong></a> </p></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
<p class="body">We started <em>Democracy Now!</em> for a simple reason: to uncover the truth and to tell the stories that most media ignore. One of the most important stories they are missing is the exciting grassroots movement for better media. 
<p class="body">In just seven weeks, thousands of people who are fed up with the dismal state of the media are converging in <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_1" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Minneapolis</span> to make a difference. 
<p class="body"><strong>Will you join me at the National Conference for Media Reform on June 6 - 8?</strong> 
<p class="body" style="text-align: center"><strong><a href="http://free.convio.net/site/R?i=kLY4hlXHzJRaJZWrUkzK3A.." rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_2" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%"><span style="color: #003399">www.freepress.net/conference</span></span></a></strong> 
<p class="body">Yes, we need to criticize the corporate media, but we also need to keep building independent media that informs, enlightens and empowers. We cannot simply wait around for more hard-hitting, investigative journalism and more diverse, independent media. 
<p class="body"><strong>We need to do more. And we need you to be a part of it.</strong> 
<p class="body">Joining me are many inspiring speakers like <strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_3" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Bill Moyers</span></strong>, <strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_4" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Arianna Huffington</span></strong>, <strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_5" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Juan Gonzalez</span></strong>, <strong>Van Jones</strong>, <strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_6" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Naomi Klein</span></strong>, <strong><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_7" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dan Rather</span></strong>, and thousands of individuals like you leading the charge for media reform. 
<p class="body">Please come to this vital (and really fun!) conference in <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_8" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Minneapolis</span>. 
<p class="body">You can learn more about the event at <a href="http://free.convio.net/site/R?i=HUkQw8idYPwT2GGJnCHclg.." rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_9"><span style="color: #003399">www.freepress.net/conference</span></span></a> or <a href="http://free.convio.net/site/R?i=1LVONF0M9in8E88txfysgQ.." rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1208414874_10"><span style="color: #003399">register online</span></span></a> right now. 
<p class="body">See you there! 
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        <p>Hi, have you heard about the School of the Americas? </p>
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<p>I just signed a petition calling on the Presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain to commit to close the school if they will be elected President. Please sign below and tell everyone!</p>
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<p>I just signed a petition calling on the Presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain to commit to close the school if they will be elected President. Please sign below and tell everyone!</p>
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        <title>Your tax dollars at work</title>   
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<p>Now this is a budget of Jesus would support,&#160;I am sure.&#160;&#160;Kindly read the following to be informed and pressure our representatives to&#160;make polices and spend our dollars&#160;in ways that reflect our values.&#160;&#160;This kind of spending is not only repulsive from&#160;a morality standpoint, it is also&#160;completely ineffective and runs contrary to its&#160;voiced objectives, as described below.&#160;&#160;&#160;I am of the opinion that this kind of policy is in fact very successful in its objectives, to increase funding year on year for its own benefit, as President Eisenhower (a military man) warned.&#160; &#160;&#160;&#160; </p>
<p>The following is taken verbatim from &#160;<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/31/16227/0316/411/487759">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/31/16227/0316/411/487759</a></p>
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<p>These charts exclude expenditures for Social Security, Medicare, and federal highways since these programs are paid from dedicated taxes maintained in separate trust funds. They also exclude interest paid on the national debt since that spending is &quot;mandatory&quot;, not &quot;discretionary&quot;. These charts show the part of the federal budget that Congress and the President directly allocate each year (with the funds derived from our income taxes, corporation taxes, excise taxes, estate and gift taxes, and other miscellaneous taxes).</p>
<p><strong>US Military Spending in the Past 70 Years</strong></p>
<p>In the current year (FY2008), military spending is estimated to be $604 billion (data from <a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/hist.html">Table 8.7</a>) -- an unprecedented expenditure. This represents an average of about $5,300 from each of the <a href="http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/households_and_families.html">114 million households</a> in the US. Military spending in inflation-adjusted dollars is now 58% greater than in FY2000. It is greater than at any time during the Cold War and even greater than during the peak spending years of the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and the Persian Gulf War.</p>
<p>For FY2009, President Bush&#39;s proposed budget allocates an enormous $671 billion to the Pentagon (data from <a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/hist.html">Table 8.7</a>), an 11% increase over FY2008 -- and this doesn&#39;t even count the additional money he will probably request later for the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p><strong>Running Up a Deficit</strong></p>
<p>All this spending on the military has resulted in massive deficits. The chart below clearly shows that during each period of military build-up and war, the deficit has swelled. In contrast, the federal government had budget surpluses in the periods of relative peace after World War II, after the Korean War, and after the Cold War, Reagan Build-up, and Persian Gulf War had each ended.</p>
<p><strong>Is It Needed?</strong></p>
<p>The United State now has the most powerful military that has ever existed in the history of the world. US nuclear weapons could destroy the planet and make it uninhabitable by humans. US conventional military force is mighty enough to wage two wars simultaneously far from our shores. The US has <a href="http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/printversion.cfm?documentID=4140">over 800 military bases around the world</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_battle_group">11 aircraft carrier battle groups</a> circling the planet (and no hostile country has more than 1). &#160;The US spends almost as much on the military <a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp">as all the rest of the world combined</a>. In 2009, the US plans to spend <a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp#tab-content-world-military-spending-2">vastly more on its military than any possible enemies</a>: 6 times as much as China, 10 times as much as Russia, 99 times as much as Iran, and almost 55 times as much as the combined spending of the six &quot;rogue&quot; states (Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria). The US and its strongest allies (the NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, and Australia) will spend $1.1 trillion on their militaries combined, representing 72% of the world’s total.</p>
<p>Despite this massive amount of spending on the military, people in the US are still afraid and feel that our military is not adequate. They want to <em>increase</em> the military budget. The pro-military propaganda has been so extensive for the last 70 years that our country can no longer think clearly about security.</p>
<p>We should have learned from <a href="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.html">Eisenhower&#39;s farewell speech in 1961</a> to be wary of the military-industrial complex. We should have learned from the 9/11 terrorist attacks that 19 guys (mostly from Saudi Arabia, an ally) armed with box cutters can attack the United States more effectively than massive armies. We should have learned that huge expenditures on military personnel and weapons <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/opinion/06tue1.html">(especially on weapons designed for use in the Cold War)</a> are ineffective in protecting us. And we should have learned -- as <strong>all</strong> the US intelligence agencies have warned us -- that the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html">Iraq war has made us <strong>less</strong> safe</a>. Still, Americans believe that a larger military force provides us with greater security.</p>
<p><strong>Real Security</strong></p>
<p>The best security is provided by not having enemies, and the best way to achieve this is to treat other countries and their people well. Invading and occupying other countries, supporting dictators, and torturing people who disagree with us are great ways to make lots of long-lasting enemies. In the past 110 years, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1206823035&amp;sr=1-1">the United States has used military force in dozens of places around the world to gain access to natural resources, secure cheap labor, stifle dissent, and crush the efforts of opposition political movements.</a> For example, the United States has obstructed independence movements in Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Nicaragua. It has staged covert actions to overthrow democratically-elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, and Chile. And it has invaded the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Moreover, <a href="http://ronpaul2008nyc.wordpress.com/foreign-policy-tidbit/">the US has supported and helped to arm dozens of dictators</a> including the Shah of Iran (Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi), P.W. Botha in apartheid South Africa, Augusto Pinochet in Chile, General Suharto in Indonesia, Francois &quot;Doc&quot; Duvalier and Jean Claude Duvalier (Baby Doc) in Haiti, George Papadopoulos in Greece, Anastasio Somoza, Jr. in Nicaragua, King Fahd bin Abdul of Saudi Arabia, and General Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan.</p>
<p>The second best way to provide security is to have large numbers of strong allies around the world and to build trust by negotiating treaties and then adhering to them. Repudiating treaties like the <a href="http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02.asp">Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty</a>, ignoring important initiatives like the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/international/americas/09cnd-climate.html">Kyoto Treaty and follow-on efforts</a>, and launching crazy, unilateral military adventures <a href="http://www.amazon.com/War-Made-Easy-Presidents-Spinning/dp/047179001X">based on lies</a> (ike the Iraq war) are great ways to lose friends and allies.</p>
<p>The third best way to provide security is to build strong domestic support. Spending all our money on the military instead of on important domestic needs is a great way to impoverish our country and undercut domestic support.</p>
<p><strong>But What About Toppling Repressive Regimes?</strong></p>
<p>Don&#39;t we need a strong military to save people from oppressive and genocidal regimes? Actually, <a href="http://www.vernalproject.org/papers/understanding/EffAltToWar.html">the most effective and most ethical means to overthrow vicious dictators and undermine horribly repressive regimes is nonviolent action carried out by civic groups within those countries.</a> For example, in the last three decades, nonviolent action has toppled the apartheid regime in South Africa, deposed the dictatorships of Slobodan Milosevich in Yugoslavia, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, and Augusto Pinochet in Chile, and brought down the former Soviet Union and its communist satellite states (including Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Lithuania). Overthrowing those regimes incurred relatively few casualties and wrought relatively little destruction. The nonviolent overthrow of these regimes has mostly left these countries stronger, more civilized, and much more free and democratic.</p>
<p>A 2005 study by <a href="http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/29.pdf">Freedom House</a> (2.3 MB pdf) found that in the 67 cases since 1972 in which dictatorial systems fell or new states arose from the disintegration of multinational states, &quot;civic resistance was a key factor in driving 50 of 67 transitions&quot; -- over 70%. In 32 of the 67 countries (nearly 48%), &quot;strong, broad-based nonviolent popular fronts or civic coalitions were highly active, and in many cases central to steering the process of change... Now, years after the transition, 24 of the countries (75 percent) where a strong nonviolent civic movement was present are Free and democratic states and 8 (25 percent) are Partly Free states with some space for civic and political life.&quot; In contrast, only one transition to freedom (Panama, 1989) was brought about by an outside military force. They also found that &quot;the stronger and more cohesive the nonviolent civic coalition operating in societies in the years immediately preceding the transition, the deeper the transformation in the direction of freedom and democracy.&quot;</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Spending on military force, in inflation-adjusted dollars, has grown to a level about 23 times as high as it was in 1940. Much of these expenditures have been used, not to protect our citizens from harm, but to invade and occupy other countries, support dictatorships, topple democratically-elected governments, and otherwise secure our &quot;national interests&quot; by controlling the rest of the world. In reality, this has undermined our security and bankrupted our country. We could drastically reduce our military budget by focusing strictly on defense of our territory, which would could probably be easily accomplished with $50-100 billion/year. Then we could devote more resources to efforts that would actually make us safer: collaborate with our allies, negotiate with our opponents, provide support to international bodies like the United Nations and the World Court, build up our own economy, protect the environment, provide aid to impoverished countries, provide support to civic movements that use nonviolent action to challenge and undermine repressive regimes, and support human rights throughout the world.</p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <p>&quot;And I’ve met McCain up close. I rode around the bus with him nine years ago when he was campaigning in New Hampshire. I found him scary up close. I think when you see him two feet away, he looks like somebody whose head could explode. He’s got a very barely controlled anger underneath his sort of calm demeanor that he seems to almost grit his teeth to keep inside. And I found him very scary personally. And I’m always shocked, I’m always stunned, when media who cover McCain don’t bring that across. He’s not a jolly fellow. He’s not somebody who you want to sit down and have beers with, where I could see people think that about President Bush—he’s kind of an amiable dunce, as someone said about an earlier president. McCain is not somebody I want to have a beer with. I think he’s a really scary guy.&quot;&#160; from Amy goodman&#39;s interview with investigative reporter (remember those?) Robert Dreyfuss about his report &quot;A Century in Iraq, Replacing UN with “League of Democracies,” Rogue State Rollback? A Look at John McCain’s Foreign Policy Vision&quot;.&#160; Find the interview at <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/26/a_century_in_iraq_replacing_un">http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/26/a_century_in_iraq_replacing_un</a>&#160;</p>
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